Art Andrews Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 So, after years of being without trooper armor, I got in a new set today... well, not really a "new" set but a set that Gino released on eBay several years ago has found its way into my hands. My original armor came mostly reassembled so in some ways this will be a first for me as I will need to assemble every part myself. My intention is to build up each part as close to how the originals were made as possible, with the same strapping and attachments systems, and where possible, the same detailing. I do not expect this to be my final set of armor but expect to build this up as a test and probably sell it off after I am done. My true hope is some day, Gino will retool the bucks he has and make a new, and more accurate set of ANH armor, now that we have much better reference. Of course, I might be dreaming on that one... Anyway, I have some obstacles to overcome right out of the box as a few of the pieces are damaged or have cracks here and there. Nothing that can't be fixed with a bit of worth, but I am starting out a bit in the hole. Also, the belly detail had already been glued into place so I had to cut that off and now need to go back and clean up around the belly rectangle. I am pretty excited about this as well as nervous. I want to really make an effort at capturing some of the essence of the original armor in the fact that it is not cleanly trimmed and not really all that nice. I think Lee (Rogue Studios) said it best when he said we are creating "controlled sloppiness." We will see how it goes... So here is the original armor: Don't expect updates too often, but I hope to get this done before Dragon Con... We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Controlled sloppyness i like the sound of that True....a very accurate set of armor(especially for forearms and thigh),my dream too.....but almost no hope for me Cant wait for WIP pics! For strapping,do you believe sandtroopers are assembled like stormtroopers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 congratulations whit your new armor Art. The GINO set, is one of the best. What about the helmet, will that be a GINO too. I have assembled 6 suits/7 helmets now. But whit all the info on forums/sites, ref shots etc. I´m sure you will make it flawless. My hope is to the new DL/TE suit comming. Useing the TE LFL archive ANH suits ref cd. Good luck in the progress buddy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 For strapping,do you believe sandtroopers are assembled like stormtroopers? Yup, planning to put it together like the sets of armor in the archives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 What about the helmet, will that be a GINO too. Using the TE LFL archive ANH suits ref cd. Don't have a helmet at the moment... and yeah, the archive reference images are very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Don't have a helmet at the moment... and yeah, the archive reference images are very helpful. Copy. I can´t wait to see you hit the sandy suit, one more time. You skill are among the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-1536 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I think you might need another knee piece, looks like some webbing in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nice-biscuit Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I going to bookmark this one. Should be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 I think you might need another knee piece, looks like some webbing in there? Yup. The webbing is pretty rough, plus it is cracked. Will probably just end up havin to replace it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 hey Art, i´m glad to see you´re back and doing another TD suit. i´m really looking forward for this and PLEASE take tons of pictures! my Gino suit is still waiting to be build... soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-4510 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Whats is made of? Cracked??? Gino armor with cracks? I look forward to your talented build! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Looking forward to see your progress! Good luck! =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefhawk Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Yep, This should be very interesting. Looking forward to this cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lufo1138 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I think Lee (Rogue Studios) said it best when he said we are creating "controlled sloppiness." We will see how it goes... yeah, don't be afraid to slap gaffer tape to hold things together here and there. BTW, is there a diagram or some documentation somewhere that shows/tells how it was all strapped together on the originals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandalorianWarrior87 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 This is going to be great to see. Can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 BTW, is there a diagram or some documentation somewhere that shows/tells how it was all strapped together on the originals? I am not sure, but I will show pics of how mine is strapped and I am going to try to do it as close to the original as I can. I can already tell some compromises will have to be made, because whoever trimmed this armor (not sure if it was Gino or the previous owner) trimmed too much of the edging off and didn't leave me enough to do all the strapping 100% accurate... but I will make the compromises as few as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I will show pics of how mine is strapped and I am going to try to do it as close to the original as I can. WONDERFUL! I'll buy some snacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIVE Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I am not sure, but I will show pics of how mine is strapped and I am going to try to do it as close to the original as I can.Yep... I'll be watching this as well so I can "follow suit" and do my strapping really good / accurate as well I think! I want my TD to be the absolute best I can make it... so I'm in no rush — so hurry with pics — because it's better to do it right than do it fast I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Art Excuse the OT but are there pics showing the strapping on TE's archive disc of pictures? JoeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Art Excuse the OT but are there pics showing the strapping on TE's archive disc of pictures? JoeR You'd have to ask someone who bought Matt's discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchy Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Great project you started with Art. I'm keeping my eye on this one...should be veeeeeeeeeery interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 RE: Biceps Well... I might have messed up already... sorta. I began work on the biceps... not sure why I started there, but I did. I went back to my handy-dandy pics and did a few scaled measurements and came up with the strips that cover the gaps of the bicep halves being 0.5" which I thought was odd to have an imperial unit measurement for an item made in the UK... but whatever, it is what it is. On the biceps I have, there is a raised area to the strips, I assume from the original RotJ casting.... I have looked and looked and simply can't determined if these raised beds are actually on the original ANH biceps or not. In some pics it looks like there are raised beds, and in some pics it looks like there are not. With the way my biceps are formed, I have no choice but to use the raised beds because if I cut them off, the circumference of the bicep will be too small. Inside the bicep pieces, the edges of the raised beds are very clearly defined. Since the strip measured 0.5" in width, I divided it in half and trimmed both halves of the raised beds to 0.25".... so when the biceps are assembled, the overall width of the raised bed is 0.5". Well... here is the issue... When I went back and was looking at other ref, I noticed that the sandtroopers, in particular, the Terrick armor has strips that are MUCH wider than the studio stormtrooper and the armor seen in the archives. I check some other photos and while there is some inconsistency, it appears that at least on the sandtroopers the strips were cut to roughly match the width of the vacced in "strip" detail that runs down the center of the shoulderbell, which is roughly 0.75"!!! Now, I can't tell you definitively that the wide strips are a sandtrooper trait and that all sandtroopers have them and no stormtroopers have them, but it does seem to me that MORE sandtroopers have them than stormtroopers! I have no idea if any of this is new info or if this is something that has been hashed out in the past, but after looking at the pics, I am going to make my strips for the biceps and forearms at 0.75" in width instead of 0.5." This means I am now going to have a bit of a gap between the two halves of my biceps since I have already trimmed them for the 0.5" strips... crud... Oh well... always knew this was going to be a test suit. One other thing to note: I am really trying not to go too crazy with making perfect cut lines. While it kills me, I have committed to not sanding ANY edges on my armor pieces but to cut them the best I can and to leave them at that. Here are some pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 Posted this in the other thread but thought I would post it here as well... Here is an initial test hook for the bicep. I am not at all convinced the sandtroopers had the hooks, but I might include them anyway since nothing else will be holding the biceps up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Andrews Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just wanted to verify some scaling... According to my numbers, the strips which cover the gaps on both the biceps and forearms are 0.75" on most of the sandtroopers (can't say all). According to my numbers, the elastic at the bottom of the sandtrooper shoulderbell which loops around the bicep, is 1" wide. I can't confirm or deny if this is the same for all ANH stormtroopers, but this is definitely much wider than what we see on the RotJ stormtroopers that were on display at the MoM and AoSW exhibit. This is just my opinion, but the sandtrooper forearms look more "beefy" than the standard stormtrooper forearms, most likely due to the wider strips which I believe cover a thicker "platform" which increases the overall circumference of the forearms by approximately 0.5" inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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