TD-4510 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 It DOES look very old. It could possibly be an authorized recast to make the numbers of troopers needed. If this guy is legit he needs to come up with some evidence and a COA from the person who can prove it. Otherwise its terrible quality. I am certain that its not original molds, thats for sure! I think we need to compare the TE2 molds to these and see whats up! Guns?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpdblues Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 It DOES look very old. It could possibly be an authorized recast to make the numbers of troopers needed. If this guy is legit he needs to come up with some evidence and a COA from the person who can prove it. Otherwise its terrible quality. I am certain that its not original molds, thats for sure! I think we need to compare the TE2 molds to these and see whats up! Guns?? Hey gang, Sorry to be on the tail end of this "very interesting" thread - just got home from the main station, sheesh what a day! The mold is berry berry interesting indeed - nothing like it in the ManCave that's fer sure! For some reason the face plates seem obnoxiously contorted to me - it would be interesting to see what type of pull you would get from it. Guys, I'm no expert but I don't recall seeing ANY "movie" bucket that resembles that mold. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 I would have to say,YES, i agreee 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakengine Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 They really do look warped. Bleh! If the guy is telling the truth, as far as he knows it, the guy telling him the story could've been full of it. If these really are pretty old, what could they have been from? I have no doubt that these are not from any of the shoots, but could they have been from some other commercial venture, like a prototype mask of some sort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpdblues Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Let's take a closer look at this mystery shall we? When I said "contorted" it may be due to the angle of the camera lens. As Mike mentioned earlier, there does appear to be an "absence" of multiple air holes however, there are a few present as seen in this photo. Are there enough for a good draw? Quite possible if one were using "industrial strength" equipment. I can't see any air holes for the "teeth"... I would estimate the size of the mold to be about a three feet long. Again, I'm no expert. A "large" type of operation (as in the 1976 production) may be able to get an "acceptable" pull out of it. I'd like to see more photos and get some dimensions. **It obviously has seen some action...there appears to be "slashes" or "cutting" marks at the base or the middle of the mold from cutting the plastic perhaps? T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Some areas of it i say yes,but others i really say NO!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-459 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 I would definetely like to see better pictures. The camera used does not seem suited for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 maybe someone can split the double face image cause photoshop is one of my enemys i wanna see some details who are totaly different to the other face and what do you think which material is used for these mould? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 will do as soon as i´m back home from work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 HDPE stormy made it already on the RPF board and yes to complete different faces let´s identify them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-4510 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Could it be from another SW film? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-1536 Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 Could it be from another SW film? Doubtful. Again, the lack of teeth detail and air holes pretty much shoots it down. UNLESS, there was equivocal proof that the Hero helmet used a different mold. Then maybe, just maybe this could be it... But I still doubt you could pull any decent detail. I'd like to be optimistic, but I'm doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 here is the photoshoped picture, first pic of the upper face, second of the 180 turned face... maybe it depends of the angle, but i think the´re completly different looking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted September 22, 2006 Share Posted September 22, 2006 and here is the photoshoped faceshot, like shown on the ebay auction... like many others before me, i doubt that it might be possible to get a satisfying pulling result from one of these moulds. i´ve never pulled anything right now, but i´ve seen more than enough pictures of others to know that you need a lot of holes in the moulds to get a good vacuum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 This listing (220030062820) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number. what happend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 i bought it for 100.000.000 $!!! noooooo, not really!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 to me it looks like a recast of a Meatsock,trying to be an original.IMO i think its a total fraud no more than a year old. if he was telling the truth,then we didnt he come out years ago????????/ besides the mold looks like a piece of shizen anyways.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 you said recast of a meatstock in the auction were two different faceplates did the meatstock had 2 different faces? and whats the origin of meatstock? these questions are only to think about it, no need for an answer so i think they have other origins imo these are bad recasts of 2 originals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted September 24, 2006 Author Share Posted September 24, 2006 dont you think you can make 2 different looking recasts of one helmet? Recasting means you use silicon or latex for example! Look at the meatsock mold and compare, the similarity is big in my opinion. It is said that the meatsock is copied from a TE but thats another thing. Especially the tube views from the front is suspiciously. Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 hey vaj imo the two faces lookin totaly different i think they aren´t from one type of helmet but i don´t want to use silikon or latex to recast a vac formed original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakengine Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 It's possible that the two molds started out being identical, and warped differently during production. Both sides look terribly misshapen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share Posted September 25, 2006 thats what I tried to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 than it´s a realy poor poor recast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBongo_275 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 My gut reaction to this is that they are casts made a long time ago from a couple of original helmet faces, but certainly nothing to do with the "original moulds". I'm giving the owner the benefit of the doubt here in that I dont think theyve been done recently. You can see that the mould has been extended beyond the line of the face it was cast from, and also remnants of an ear screw hole which was patched up unconvincingly. My guess is that some guy in West London working either on the SW project or sometime thereafter got hold of a couple of faces and made a cast off them. As others have suggested, they could have been done recently, but its almost the slap-dash way theyve been cast makes me think they're more egit. Either way not something I'd want to spend 2 grand on. Lucasfilm has pulled the auction on the VERO copyright program. Cheers Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I am practically certain that these were not recast from any fan produced items. They share charactistics of some of the AA faceplate photos I have from back in the day (hero/prototype style with no undercut under the chin or cheek tubes). We've all seen pics of the "prototype" helmets that AA sold which were later discovered to not be true prototypes but made later after SW was made. The undercuts were removed by the time this version came around and I believe that these molds have a relation to them. Definitely not fakes, but definitely not the molds that were used in the original production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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