clutch Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Any word on the helmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD4549 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Horee Cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Thats not what i said. I said if the ROTJ helmets were recasts of a ANH helmet (which is why the ROTJ helmets appear soft in detail)and then making cast from this actual ROTJ in ABS would make them even softer in detail(which would be a 2nd gen of ANH and 1st gen from a ROTJ. From my understanding the ABS is thicker and harder to pull detail then styrene. Thats why TE uses/used styrene.From what I know... the mold will be created from the inside of the helmet... thus making the vac-formed cast and exact duplicate of the original. The reason the RotJ helmets were so soft is that they vac-formed on top of an actual ESB suit... not on top of a mold. If this is wrong... please let me know. I'd definitely be interested in one of these... def in ABS and most likely in kit form... and would love some additional info! Though... the price would definitely be a factor to consider for me, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethB6025 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I had understood all of the ROTJ to be cast from ANH not vacced over. If you put a formed part on a table and tried to form over it; it would be crushed. A bad mold job would account for the difference in sharpness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defstartrooper Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Seths right you couldn't vac over another helmet aside from getting crushed the heat from the plastic would transfer to the original piece damaging it if not welding it to the new sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldenrod Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I don't think the ROTJ helmets were cast from the inside of the ANH helmets. If that were the case then we wouldn't have the much softer details on the ROTJ helmets because it would be closer to the actual ANH bucks. But if the ANH helmets were molded (from the outside) and then from the new bucks pulled the new vacuformed shells from these new (outside) molded bucks the details on the ROTJ helmets would start look softer. Just like if you took the ROTJ helmet (you just made) and made new (outside)mold from it, it would become even softer each time you made a new mold then buck. Because your not using your previous newer buck. Did that confuse? Yeah, i knew you couldn't use a vac shell to vac over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBongo_275 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I heard that an ANH helmet was literally filled with plaster in order to make a lifesize cast, and from that a new mould. However it sounds like the helmet partially collapsed during this process which resulted in a further exaggeration of the asymmetrical warping. However I've never been able to clarify this with anyone involved in the process (John Mollo didnt work on RotJ). By this time (1981/2) the art department at Elstree were working with vac-forming (initially for sets) so presume they did it. However, given they used ABS and may not have had vac-formers as powerful as SDS its possible this may have contributed to the overal softness. Cheers Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defstartrooper Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I got lost about 5 words in But i think what you are saying is they took an ANH helmet and made a mould of the outside then from that made a positive/buck ? Why would anyone do that when it would be much easier to just backfill the inside to make a new buck ? i dont see why you would make a negative mould to produce a positive mould when you already have the negative anyway. The softness of the ROTJ is simple its because its a recast of an ANH its just generational loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBongo_275 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 No - I heard they took an ABS helmet, and poured plaster into it. They tried to support it but part gave away. They ended up with a "positive" helmet which was then used to make the new vac moulds Never been able to substanciate this but given how these guys worked I felt it was certainly believable Cheers Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldenrod Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I got lost about 5 words in But i think what you are saying is they took an ANH helmet and made a mould of the outside then from that made a positive/buck ? Why would anyone do that when it would be much easier to just backfill the inside to make a new buck ? i dont see why you would make a negative mould to produce a positive mould when you already have the negative anyway. The softness of the ROTJ is simple its because its a recast of an ANH its just generational loss. I see what your saying. I was just making a assumption to why it became so soft in detail and warped looking. If they did do it the way you mentioned then they might have sanded the edges of the new bucks (poured from the inside). Thus making it easier/less stress on the bucks from the vac pulls. And this may have contributed to the soft detailed ROTJ look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 put me on the list as well.... i´d say ABS, authenticity still rocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBongo_275 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 put me on the list as well.... i´d say ABS, authenticity still rocks! I agree! Cheers Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 as long as it doesn't have a blue-hue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk27 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 **** I've got to visit here more often! Please please count me as interested for an ABS helmet, if I'm not too late! Thanks Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hi fellas Still waiting on my guy to get back from his work trip. As soon as I have more info I will post here. We have decided on the thinnest ABS we can get away with so that as little detail as possible will be lost. The casts are very sharp, the maker has years of industry experience. Sorry for the delay. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldenrod Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Thats awesome news! Can't wait to see'm! Did you have an idea of $ yet? It would cool to see a pic of them freshly pulled and stacked after he gets a few done. Man! Its like christmas early! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve12201 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 I am also interested in one of these lids. Any idea what price range we are looking at? I think I missed it in the thread. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share Posted April 25, 2007 No idea on price yet. Sorry to be so vague. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldenrod Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Any new word? Can we see a pic of the inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakengine Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Man, how did I miss this thread before? Count me 100% in for one of these! Just the excuse I need to start a ROTJ suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannab Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 List me too -- price dependent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper18938 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Hi Joe, Just wondering if you had an update on the progress of the kit? Looking forward to it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk27 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 .. Just a little bump! Any news?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted July 20, 2007 Author Share Posted July 20, 2007 Update: All the moulds are now done. Vac forming should go ahead in the next 14 days. I will post details in the next few weeks once we have a firm price... Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 great news.... keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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