Too Much Garlic Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Hi all... am not sure if this is the right section to post this question in, so mods, please move it if it should be elsewhere. I believe there was a topic or at least some discussion about the strange looking Stormtrooper (bubble lenses, ANH frown, upside down section on the ab plate) on the far right of this ESB Promo Poster, but I haven't been able to find it again: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/star...motieposter.jpg What I remember is that it was mentioned in the discussion that this suit was shown in ESB - in the Carbon Chamber scene, but I'm not sure - and that it was the one suit sent to Bermans & Nathans to make the RotJ suits from. It would definitely match up with the ab detail and the very distinct looking helmet with the bubble lenses. Am I remembering this correctly or am I completely wrong and imagining things? Any info on this enigma of an ESB trooper and it's likeness to the RotJ suits would be interesting to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifter Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nice find NHM. Sorry no info on the right trooper but did anyone spot that notch section on the 4 button ab strip on the stormtrooper on the left? I'm sure TE or TM can speak on the trooper on the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Nice find NHM. Sorry no info on the right trooper but did anyone spot that notch section on the 4 button ab strip on the stormtrooper on the left? Isn't that just because his belt sits really low... or am I missing what you are referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 @ Grifter: i assume the left trooper only wears one of the reused sandtrooper suits from anh. all the sandtroopers had this little notch at the downside where normal stormtroopers have their four buttons... look right here: SORRY, but i can´t say anything about the ESB/ROTJ suit... maybe trooperexpert or troopermaster can help you with this... they are our wizards of knowledge! if one of them don´t know it, nobody does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 @ Grifter: i assume the left trooper only wears one of the reused sandtrooper suits from anh. all the sandtroopers had this little notch at the downside where normal stormtroopers have their four buttons... look right here: Nah, 'cause the trooper on the left DOES have the ab plate detail with the four bottons. I think what he means looks odd is what I'm showing in this cut-out of the left trooper (second arrow). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmann Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I'm impressed with the white tape used on the left trooper. You can see it replacing the left shoulder strap and holding on the right belt box. Before joining the board, I never would have noticed the RoTJ handguards and the little black elastic strings You can also see they are using green acetate for the lenses. However, the lineage of the helmet and armor on the right trooper is beyond my knowledge. Thanks for sharing the photo! Charlie TI-386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Before joining the board, I never would have noticed the RoTJ handguards and the little black elastic strings The handguards are ESB. Both ESB and RotJ has them. The ANH are different - more flat and has the T-shape on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethB6025 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 My son has a coloring book using the same promo shot. I always wondered what was up with the right side trooper. I'll give you that the helmet looks awfully similar to the ROTJ decendent. I do love the left trooper, it gives a clue as to the fate of the ANH suits; barley taken care of and taped to ****, parted out, broken, taped again, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifter Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 RoCKo hit it on the dot about the notch on the bottom of the 4 button strip shown in the pic NHM hyperlinked (3 large button for the sandtrooper pic RoCKo posted) Doh!! If I only knew how to put arrows on pictures… Although unseen in the ESB promo pic, the trooper on the right may have an unnotched 4 button strip. If that suit was sent off to Bermans & Nathans for the ROTJ suits, most suits on display by Lucas (usually ROTJ) don't have the notch. Just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Doh!! If I only knew how to put arrows on pictures…You can draw arrows in Paint. All Windows versions has that programme... try it out... it's quite simple. That way you can show what you are talking about... 'cause I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoCKo Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 RIGHT, load the picture in windows paint or use products like photoshop. in windows paint is is quite easy... always remember, don´t save the picture with the same name, so you don´t overwrite the original picture... (yeah, i did it once,ok ok...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 That's the notch your talking about.The ROTJ suit's don't have this feature as far as I'm aware,due to them basically being a recast of the ESB's and mods were made to the moulds.There may be the slightest trace of it though,I'm sure John (stormtrooper) will know more. That ROTJ suit is a bit of a mystery with the grey mouth.The pic is supposed to be an ESB promo but with an ROTJ suit.There are a few pics of Vader in London with ROTJ troopers with the same grey mouths and I think they were part of the 1983 tour for ROTJ,but the suit's could have been made earlier,even during ESB? I know there is an ROTJ style armour in ESB so they were making mods to the suit's during or before filming.It has the white edging trim and the shoulder straps are velcro'd on,though the helmet looks the same ESB. Also,those hand guards on the ESB are just sewn to the cotton/lycra gloves. -Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 That's the notch your talking about.The ROTJ suit's don't have this feature as far as I'm aware,due to them basically being a recast of the ESB's and mods were made to the moulds.There may be the slightest trace of it though,I'm sure John (stormtrooper) will know more.-Paul. Well, the pictures of the real RotJ suits over at starwarshelmets.com suggest that that feature was there... just not as sharp as the ANH & ESB suits and not always painted up, but definitely present, which, if you think about is quite logical if the RotJ suits where formed on top of an ESB suit (or am I still not getting what notch is being talked about?): More pictures of the suits: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/realstormpropsROTJ.htm http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/origirotjStormypage.htm I really thought this had been discussed before on this forum... guess I was mistaken... hmm... strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 No mate,your still not getting it We are talking about the base strip,the raised section where the seperate 4-button strip is glued onto.It has a slot cut out at the bottom but is mostly covered by the strip with the buttons on it.It is more evident on sandtroopers' ab plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-1536 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Cool topic. I'd never seen that picture before, and I'm continually impressed by how crap-tastic Stormtrooper armor is after such continual use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 my goal was to own every type of trooper for display but there are to much different types my room isn´t big enough or a rotj type MEPD officer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 No mate,your still not getting it We are talking about the base strip,the raised section where the seperate 4-button strip is glued onto.It has a slot cut out at the bottom but is mostly covered by the strip with the buttons on it.It is more evident on sandtroopers' ab plates. Ah... I think I know what you are talking about now... the circular cut or dent below the four botton piece? Well, if the RotJ was cast on top of an ESB suit then it probably wouldn't show, due to the overall lack of detail in the RotJ casts. Did I get it right this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 You got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmann Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 The handguards are ESB. Both ESB and RotJ has them. The ANH are different - more flat and has the T-shape on them. Well, I had to watch ESB tonight and examine the handguards, and you are correct sir! However, it's a whole 1 hour and 30 minutes before we ever see a stormtrooper in the movie (not counting snow troopers) Here's a grab from the Han Solo torture scene: Thanks No Humor Man! Charlie TI-386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much Garlic Posted June 3, 2006 Author Share Posted June 3, 2006 Thanks No Humor Man!You're welcome. You didn't by any chance find the elusive RotJ looking stormie with the ANH hero helmet, did you? You know... the source I keep rambling about!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I've never seen that helmet in ESB personally,though it could be there.The armour is worn by the trooper who gets thrown into the freezing chamber by Chewie,straight after Vader say's "Put him in" Now after just watching that part again,it really looks like that is an ROTJ style suit with the ab plate detail being moulded as part of the plate,rather than the box detail stuck on upside down.It also looks like the arms have the joining strip moulded as part of the armour.If someone could get some clean screen-caps it sure would help We also don't really see the tops of the shoulder bells to identify them as ROTJ. -Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmann Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I slow motioned every scene with storm troopers, but I could not truly single out a single helmet the looked like ANH with bubble lenses and gray teeth. However, there is one trooper who consistently wears his right bicep inside out: It's amazing what you find when you slow things down! Charlie TI-386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 The handguards are ESB. Both ESB and RotJ has them. The ANH are different - more flat and has the T-shape on them. Well, I had to watch ESB tonight and examine the handguards, and you are correct sir! However, it's a whole 1 hour and 30 minutes before we ever see a stormtrooper in the movie (not counting snow troopers) Here's a grab from the Han Solo torture scene: Thanks No Humor Man! Charlie TI-386 what about the forearms? lookin a lil bit different for me or i´m blind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarWars Collector Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 IMO it's essential to know WHEN the ESB promo poster was made. That may solve a few questions, because it's save to say that the trooper on the right is RotJ (or at least the helmet is). http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/star...ooperhelmet.jpg It has ALL the RotJ characteristics except for the grey ANH frown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooperexpert Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I can end the timeframe debate right now for you all. The poster was made the same time as the movie. How do I know this? Easy. Topps trading card #1 Red Series ESB header card is the same as the poster. Go check it out for yourself. Came out in 1980. Mystery solved. Nice thing to have a pornographic memory Matt/STE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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