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Starting with the helmet. For those who haven't worked with AP armor, it is sanitized compared to something like RS. So the helmet is pretty smooth. Adding the details will be a balance of getting it to look like the reference material but not making it look to out of place with the rest of the armor. Anyway... .
helmet
I trimmed around the ears but used a drill to avoid a sharp corner (I get nervous with sharp corners as they invite tearing).
Then I scored and snapped the extra off.
And then with reference pics in hand I started to carefully shape the eyes to match the original.
So, this will be a slooooow build. I used up all my favours with my family during my TK build. Anyway, all I’ve managed to do in a week is get one eye more or less shaped and started to test the positioning of the brow.
Having a number of detailed images of the helmet is great – the light plays tricks with the subtle return edges so many angles of the same thing are necessary. And the return edges on the AP armor are a little soft, so that makes things a little tougher when you’re trimming to match the original.
Still have some work to do.
Also, that brow is as far up as it will go without trimming. So… I guess I will be trimming the brow area of the helmet. Also, it looks like the brow in the reference pick is thinner too. I will also need to trim the opening at the bottom of the helmet a little more than I did with the TK so my head will fit in.
To match my helmet to the original, I’ve been taking pictures of my helmet to match the reference pictures (relative camera location and lens zoom) and overlaying the images in Photoshop. I think I have a set-up that matches the original photos. Now I just have to mark up my helmet with some tape with reference points and I should be able to place things like tube stripes, paint runs, and cracks in the right location. I’m terrible at free-handing anything.
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So, I have this thread going over at FISD - but I'll post here too. I recently finished a TK and now I'm starting another build - much to my wife's chagrin. The goal is to build as close as I can for SWAT approval. Both kits are from AP so this build should be very similar to my TK build - except of course:
- TD is dirty
- TD has a pauldron, pouches, and sometimes a pack
- TD does not have plastic shoulder bridges or large button panel on ab. They also don't have the 4 button panel - they have a three button panel (not painted)
- TD is dirty
- TD does not have the black lines on the traps or tears of the helmet
- Sniper knee plate if different shape.
- TD is dirty
- TD does not have holster or TD (or drop boxes) on the belt
The fun part about the TD build is that one is encouraged to build a specific onscreen trooper. There was no question for which trooper I wanted to build. This guy:
The captain that talks to Garindan.
The first shot above was one of the most memorable trooper scenes for me back in '78 (didn't get a chance to see the movie until '78 - longest year ever).
The best part about this trooper is that the helmet is still around (it was recently at auction - I think it went for $250K, but don't quote me). Anyway, there are pictures of the helmet floating around. Starwarshelmets.com is a good place to see these images. Here is an example:
This guy.
There is one snag to the whole process. For basic approval in to the 501st as a TD, you need at least two pouches with one of those being a proper shoulder pouch. So I will need to add a shoulder pouch in addition to the belt pouches. For level 2 (PO), I need a backpack. This trooper does not have one - so If I want to advance to level 2 I need the pack (and from what I understand, I don't need said pack for level 3). To put together a proper pack takes some time - so I won't be doing that right away. My plan is to build the actual armour as close as possible to what would be expected at Level 3 (SWAT) and just go for basic approval for now.
I have a variety of pouches so that I will be able to emulate other characters - most notably the Cantina Captain who wears the exact same armor as the Garinden captain. He also has a pack (#3) - so this might be a Plan B.
Gear collected so far:
First two pics are from trooperbay. Sniper knee, original strapping kit (the screws showing on the outside of the armor is a upper level requirement), three button plate (as well as all the other button plates), S-trim, and strip stencils. Although the stencils are the "sandtrooper" stencils, they don't match this helmet - so I will need to modify.
Collection of pouches and my pauldron from Trooperbay. I couldn't decide on which pouch configuration I was going to do, so I ended up with a little of everything. I have a canvas shoulder pouch and two more leather MP40 pouches in another pic. I'll have plenty of pouches - I can pretty much emulate both versions of the docking bay 94 captain and the cantina captain.
From Anthony (blaster 8266) . Nice!! I can use these for the Cantina Captain if it comes to that - plus I need the shoulder pouch for basic approval.
3D print of a T-21 from TK421 propstop
Sling, sling swivel, tubing for theT-21. Some wire for my DLT-19 as well. I'm still missing a few greeblies for the T-21, but I think I have them sorted out.
Need some wire around the t-tracks and some dirt, but this DLT-19 should be good to go if I decide to emulate the Cantina Captain.
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If you are, this is bit that confused me about pouches. The way this is written, it conveys that you can go with the standard configuration, OR, you can follow the option of replicating a screen used configuration.
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The standard configuration calls for a minimum of two pouches:
- one pouch on the left shoulder and one on the right hip.
- A third worn on the opposite hip is allowed.
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Option: If choosing to replicate a screen used configuration of equipment, the number of pouches may be altered.
- See the MEPD SWAT page for more details.
- Note: Screen used configurations also include specific color Pauldrons and individual backpacks styles.
If we require "one pouch on the left shoulder and one on the right hip" no matter what - then the "Option: if choosing..." point is totally moot - or it is merely there as a guide for picking the third pouch. You could even state that the shoulder pouch should be a MP40 (38) canvas or leather ammo pouch and the belt pouches should be leather - I don't recall there ever being any other kind of pouch on the shoulder. They don't always have the shoulder pouch, but when they do... .
As for the pouches (and backpack) I just think that whatever is "good enough" for SWAT should be good enough for Basic and PO. I realize the level of detail is different, but the basic components should be built upon, not taken away IMO. If that makes sense. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to find an easy way through this (if anything, I'm possibly making it harder on myself
). I'm just saying that there are people that are not going to build a pack for a pack-less trooper just to pass PO. Therefore there are fewer TDs out there that have pushed their build as far as they could have.
Sorry for beating the dead horse.
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The standard configuration calls for a minimum of two pouches:
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1 hour ago, Fraulein said:
woah woah woah. I was informed that I could not be the roadblock captain (v2) for SWAT unless I had completed PO and that meant I was required to build a pack, even though the captain (v2) does not have a pack. This is the reason for me just sticking with plain old level 1. And not moving to PO. Because of $$ of building a pack that I will only require for approval purposes.
Relax trooper
He retracted that statement. You need PO before SWAT, and you need a pack for PO.
Yeah, kind of a wrench in the works for no pack troopers.
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14 hours ago, dutchy said:
I have to correct myself and apologise. You do need to reach PO status first so skipping PO isn't an option.
No worries. That actually makes more sense.
To summarize, if I'm going for the no-pack, Garindan trooper (Stop that ship) for SWAT approval, I will need (in addition to orange pauldron, two small Spanish pouches, spot-on weathering, and the T-21):
- Basic approval: shoulder pouch
- PO: Any backpack that passes PO requirements and shoulder pouch.
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SWAT: luck and patience. Unleash the OCD.
I've been going through a number of the SWAT and PO applications - but is there a place/thread that outlines the backpack requirements (reference gallery with descriptions) for Basic vs PO vs SWAT aside from what is in the CRL.
Thanks again.
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2 hours ago, dutchy said:
Well, if you decide to go for SWAT immediately after basic approval and you won't need a pack as this specific trooper doesn't wear one. But if you want to go for PO first, that will require a backpack and having no pack will not get PO approval.
Thanks for the response! Ahhh. To echo Daniel... I did not know this! Over at FISD we had to go through level 2 before 3 so I just assumed the same here. Thanks for the clarification! So, no backpack needed for SWAT if going for packless character - big check!
2 hours ago, dutchy said:We try to make everything understandable for everyone and the piece you copied from the CRL has never been an issue, but we are looking into the CRL text if any changes need to be made. If there are changes needed they will be made.
The way I read it , the CRL indicates that if I am going for a particular character, then I don't need the shoulder pouch if that character does not have one. But the previous posts above indicate that I need a shoulder pouch for basic regardless. If that is the case, then, yeah, I find the CRL confusing (but I find most things confusing). I'm just trying to sort things out for myself so I can make the most of this build. Thanks.
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So, a few more questions...
I want to build my armor as close as possible to this guy - the docking by 94 captain who talks with Garindan. There is great reference material out there, especially for the helmet, so that is all good.
From what I've read, this is the same armor as the Cantina captain.
I've also seen this alleyway captain referred to as well. Is this because it is the same armor or is this reference for the pack?
I know for PO and SWAT that I need a pack. Since the character I am going for does not actually have a pack - do I need to build a character specific pack if I apply for PO/SWAT at some point? Would I have to build a #3 pack?
I admit, I've been looking at some of the reference pics (and "researching" ANH
) and I'm finding it hard to discern details from the on-screen packs as outlined in some of the newer SWAT applications.
Also, and I hate to go back to this, but for the CRL - the below is indicated for basic approval regarding pouches.
Option: If choosing to replicate a screen used configuration of equipment, the number of pouches may be altered.
- See the MEPD SWAT page for more details.
- Note: Screen used configurations also include specific color Pauldrons and individual backpacks styles.
If the shoulder pouch is absolutely required (as had been mentioned in previous posts), the wording in the CRL should be reworked. For a new trooper, this is confusing (well, at least for me it was).
Thanks in advance!
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Thanks! Shoulder pouch will be present.
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Hi there.
I'm just about to start my TD build (I recently finished a TK build over at FISD and could not be happier about that experience). I know I want to emulate the Docking Bay 94 captain (the guy who talks to Garinden). I have the pouches needed for this character and the "stop that ship" character (yeah, I know, same guy - different pouches apparently). I've also ordered the canvas shoulder pouch and leather MP40 pouches (from Blaster 8266) for the Cantina Captain (for when/if I get a backpack).
My question is - do I need a shoulder pouch for basic approval if I'm emulating a particular character?
Also, I haven't researched backpacks very much yet - I was planning on going for basic approval without a pack. I know I will not have the time to build a pack completely from scratch. I looked at Crooked Knight's (Imperial Trooper Packs) back packs. They look awesome but cost almost as much as my armor did. Any recommendations for a guy who can't spend too much time sourcing all the parts but wants a decent pack at the end of the day? Does anyone offer kits?
Thanks!
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On 2018-02-20 at 1:19 PM, dutchy said:
First of all welcome to the MEPD! My first advice would be to start reading all the different build threads so you get a general idea of what you gotten yourself into
Good luck and we're here to help!
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I’m still in the process of getting my TK up to Centurion status (hopefully) over at FISD, and I have my second kit in hand and ready for another build. I haven’t had a lot of time to browse this site, so where is the best place to post and view build threads. Thanks!
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Hi all. Just finished my first build (TK) and had an awesome time doing it. Now it is time for a TD. Which is what I really wanted to do in the first place
Still doing some research but hope to get started soon!
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Requesting 501st access
TK34575
Greg Bell
https://www.501st.com/members/displaymemberdetails.php?userID=27237
thanks!
Wook's Docking Bay 94 Captain Build (AP)
in Sandtrooper Armor
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As interested as I am, I'm afraid what my OCD would do with that information