wannab Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Wow it's dead around here...how 'bout this? Interesting pics here... http://www.whatsdandone.com/sds/ Thoughts on the moulds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 not sure but from original buckets i thougt the helmet molds couldn´t be one piece molds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Cool pics, but I don't trust a word that comes out of AA's mouth. Thanks for sharing. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-1536 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Interesting look at his workshop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranus Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The link is now dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Good thing i snagged the pics, i knew that would happen. There is no way that the molds are the same ones from the seventies, they to new. The other main reason is the helmet is so far from looking movie accurate. They are nice molds though,I like the work shop lay out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGreatSot Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I'd have to agree that all of those bucks couldn't possibly be 30 years old (unless they are made of indistructible plaster...). If anyone wants the photos, PM me and I should be able to email them. The only pictures that I didn't get were the pictures of the Stunt and Battle Spec from all sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-1536 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I saved all the pictures, too. No way those molds are original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk-4224 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 5 minutes on teh web and everyone has this pics on their computer do you remember the ebay auction with the double face mold? not sure but i thinkt that´s the same shape of the face and same material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannab Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 I'm with Jez (comment over at RPF) in thinking the close up mold is likely the battle spec helmet. There is another face mould on one of the shelves (composit shot) that could be the Hero/Stunt. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBongo_275 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Cheers Doug I only got to see the full on face shots so would like to see the others if some one could email them to me- jez (at) starwarshelmets (dot) com Cheers Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopermaster Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Can someone host the pics....I missed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDPE STORMY Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Yes please post the pics , the link was already dead when I found the thread o the RPF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordietrooper Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakengine Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Thanks for posting the pics, geordie. Are there more, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy2312 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nope, that's all there was of the molds. The rest was just the workshop and the proof parts hanging around. The putty on the back of the domeback section explains the difference seen in current SDS lids and the originals... Apparently a repair job, just like the little bit on one of the ears. It does seem to add up, but... I just don't know. Can't really believe a word AA says... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannab Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 There are some pics with various molds on shelves including another face mold, but no more close-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Those molds are two years old or less. no matter how much bondo is on them, they are not original by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannab Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 What indicates that they are two years old or less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 The look of the materials and lack of use on the molds. As you form on molds they take on a different look and these do not have that look at all. They get a natural weathering from heat and debris as they are used, these look fresh as the day they were made. I work in molding and have seen it first hand, maybe there copies and brand new, who knows for sure. but the age of the molds are fairly new, due to the lack of the tell tale signs of use. I do like the placement of vaccum holes, very good thinking on his part. The diameter of the holes tells me he knows how to form, small holes work much better than large ones, to much air volume causes loss of vaccum, small is always good. back on to the look of the molds, in order to get good pulls and good release, car wax is always good to use, for easy release. baby powder on the plastic works great too and all the time, heat and use shows in dirty color patterns, which are not present on his. not trying to be a jerk, its just something i have seen over ten years of molding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannab Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 Great info! I know absolutley nothing about molds, that's why I started this thread to get as little insight on the process. I'm not even sure if molds is the proper term I've also heard the term bucks, would that be more accurate? BTW, is this one strictly plaster? Would a likely process be to make a master then somehow make copies for full production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 They use the term bucks in the UK and in the US i have always heard molds. I dont think it matters much as long as people are on the same page. The AA molds look like to me to made be from From a resin or epoxy with body filler added to fill bad spots. They are not any form of plaster, plaster dont hold up with molds like these, the under cuts are to extreme. In the neck area on the faceplate you can notice the way the base flares out, thats to help over stretching of the faceplate and to ease in removal. the same can be said with the dome, you can notice the flare below the forehead, same reason. ABS is not easy to pull, if over heated it can get a bumpy surface, under heated it wont form rite. you also need tons of vaccum to get it to pull good, over stretch it and thin spots show up, the same can be said for styrene. Though stryene can be heated to its melting point then formed, it may turn out slightly pourus, but sharp as ****. thick styrene is always better than thin, people think styrene helmets are thin and junk, most are because the maker uses to thin of plastic and doesnt know any better. thick is good and sharp and always strong. i have examples, .125 faceplate and .125 dome and .060 ear caps. i hope this helps.. pm me for pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JABBA Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 PM sent!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiBes trooper Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Strange, such a heated debate and no coments??? Funny.....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBongo_275 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 There's been discussionss on a nummbr of forums including RFP and Prop Den about this. I dont think anyone thinks these are the original (1976) moulds, although I'm personally sure these moulds also couldt have pulled SDS's Stunt or Hero helmets either since there are just too many descrepancies (at least with the helmets I have from 2004/5) IMO therefore these are probably moulds for the battlespec helmet, however I understand why people have no any faith in what AA says any more. Cheers Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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