Caomhanach Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 The TK and the TD's should be for screen seen armor only personally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The TX Det is home to only EU Troopers This is extremely valid point. Everyone should feel good about the costume they've chosen and that they have a welcome place to be to share their passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethB6025 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I don't get the rationale behind lumping a HWT in with Sandtroopers. Why can't they just exist in their own right? It seems to me like the whole argument could be solved by giving each individual costume its own designation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caomhanach Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The TX Det is home to only EU Troopers This is extremely valid point. Everyone should feel good about the costume they've chosen and that they have a welcome place to be to share their passion. ...however, the TX should only be for Special Ops, that is the detachment... I don't know whether I would class a HWT as a Special Ops trooper... The TX shouldn't be a catch all for EU Troopers as it is getting too large a bucket. The same happened with Clone Troopers, first it was just TC, now how many different designations are there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stomper Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Yeah, this is not being thought through very well IMHO... It would be so friken easy to just give a "Heavy Weapons Trooper" a "TH" or a "TW" designation! Take THAT suggestion to the Legion Council! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motman241 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I've been away, but now I'm back (just like Jack said in The Shining) Based on things found in the Star Wars movies, this is what a 'screen accurate" stormtrooper could look like. How about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 ROFLHMS - that's awesome!!! FWIW, I believe the ESB frown is only on the SE edition of ANH for that trooper as it appears the added TK's are in ROTJ format actually. But I could be wrong, my eyes are old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motman241 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 FWIW, I believe the ESB frown is only on the SE edition of ANH for that trooper as it appears the added TK's are in ROTJ format actually. But I could be wrong, my eyes are old. The point is, it is screen accurate to mix and match ROTJ and ANH armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-4935 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 in that case, TD's could have drop boxes, badly applied dirt , rubbish backpacks and crappy pouldrens Has anyone ever done a SE sandtrooper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stomper Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 SE Sandtrooper?!! NOOOOOOOoooooooo............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Trooper Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I think this has to be passed to all garrisons/out posts. A TK with a pauldron and field pack does not make a TD. XO's should not clear TK's wanting to become TD at the drop of a hat. The most and biggest one is the ab plate. I think it's all or nothing... "IMO" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethB6025 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Its nice to see you on the boards again Tom! Very nice picture, when are you going to troop in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motman241 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thanks, man! Glad to be back. I guess you don't know how cool a place is until you've been gone a while. Troop in that thing? Ha! I think not. There's not enough dirt on it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethB6025 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thats the spirit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motman241 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 There's another picture that I'm debating if I should post it or not. PM sent to you, Seth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakengine Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 OMG! Very very funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD2802 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 That is what we call a 'chimera'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Trooper Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 the MEPD will always lead by example. "IMO" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjfive Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I think this has to be passed to all garrisons/out posts. A TK with a pauldron and field pack does not make a TD. XO's should not clear TK's wanting to become TD at the drop of a hat. The most and biggest one is the ab plate. I think it's all or nothing... "IMO" Marc, If the legion is going to put HWT in with the TDs as they have done, then based on the comics there is visual refrences to support them. If I remember correctly the comics have a TK with backpack and pauldron. At least one of the Dark Horse Comics pictures of the HWT shows Ab buttons and drop boxes as well as haveing a backpack, pauldron, and ammo pouch on his shoulder. However you are right. You shouldn't clear TKs wanting to become a Sandtrooper. However as HWT are covered under TD designation then according to the legion Membership officer that is what they are to be labeled as. If at an event people do not wish to troop with a TK with a pauldron then I guess the only thing I can say is...don't. I suit up and troop with my fellow members regardless of how screen acurate or perfect their kit is. I know mine isn't perfect, but frankly the attitude of "you must be exactly screen acurate" is getting really old and starting to suck the enjoyment out of trooping. Its suppose to be about spreading the joy and magic of star wars to everyone. Its not a competition on who's costume looks better. Yes we set up standards. Great. But if the standards starts to get in the way of what the legion is suppose to be about then I say the standards should be changed. I love how accurate some of my fellow MEPD brothers and sisters look. I also love the guy who is 5'6" 240lbs in his TK that is shimmed to high heaven, wearing a pauldron, and is out there making kids smile and bringing joy into the lives of other people. That is what the legion is and should be about. CJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-2272 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 CJfive: well said trooper I see it the way you do. Over at the OLG we have a new trooper is a TK but likes the look of having a pauldron. I told him its ok to wear it Im no authority on the subjet of him having it he also carries a mg34, and he thought the TD's of our garrison would be mad with him but I said to him agian go for it. I also said to him he should look at the spec ops forum. But if he belongs here under HWT then he's a HWT not a TD . He in no way wants shoulder pouches or a backpack or any other stuff that makes us TD's I hope I didnt ruffel any of my bro's and sis of the MEPD It's just how I feel on this ...I say more the merryer I also said to him if i see a ad plate or anything that pertains to us oter than the pauldron and the bfg I will throw the biggest mud ball at him then run up with some type of spray to make it stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motman241 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I talked to (what I consider to be) a heavyweight in the prop/costume community, and we were originally talking about Tusken Raiders. Everyone wants to be *that* Tusken from ANH. Well, we were talking about the SPIRIT and mindset of the costumes. Tuskens were scavengers. They hodgepodged things together, and had whatever they could find. It may not have appeared on screen, but we totally got it. I see it as kinda the same thing with sandtroopers. As long as I could see a sandtrooper that is stationed on Tatooine having it or using it, it's all good in my book. I have plans for a different type of droid/people scanner, and some custom long rifles. In the SPIRIT and theme od the sandtrooper, I think that's fine. I wear a custom pouch thing on my belt, that could totally fit in (and it's very functional). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Trooper Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I think this has to be passed to all garrisons/out posts. A TK with a pauldron and field pack does not make a TD. XO's should not clear TK's wanting to become TD at the drop of a hat. The most and biggest one is the ab plate. I think it's all or nothing... "IMO" Marc, If the legion is going to put HWT in with the TDs as they have done, then based on the comics there is visual refrences to support them. If I remember correctly the comics have a TK with backpack and pauldron. At least one of the Dark Horse Comics pictures of the HWT shows Ab buttons and drop boxes as well as haveing a backpack, pauldron, and ammo pouch on his shoulder. However you are right. You shouldn't clear TKs wanting to become a Sandtrooper. However as HWT are covered under TD designation then according to the legion Membership officer that is what they are to be labeled as. If at an event people do not wish to troop with a TK with a pauldron then I guess the only thing I can say is...don't. I suit up and troop with my fellow members regardless of how screen acurate or perfect their kit is. I know mine isn't perfect, but frankly the attitude of "you must be exactly screen acurate" is getting really old and starting to suck the enjoyment out of trooping. Its suppose to be about spreading the joy and magic of star wars to everyone. Its not a competition on who's costume looks better. Yes we set up standards. Great. But if the standards starts to get in the way of what the legion is suppose to be about then I say the standards should be changed. I love how accurate some of my fellow MEPD brothers and sisters look. I also love the guy who is 5'6" 240lbs in his TK that is shimmed to high heaven, wearing a pauldron, and is out there making kids smile and bringing joy into the lives of other people. That is what the legion is and should be about. CJ WOW! What a speech. Was that rehearsed or off the cuff? I agree with you. But as I said "IMO". Merry Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Landcaster Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I say do what you want, unless it's an official event. If this go's threw then how long befor femtrooper armor is an official costume of the 501st.... all it takes is one comic book then it's ok? I'm not trying to be an ******* but i bust my *** and spend a ton of cash on my costumes. I want to wear the pauldron,ammo packs and look as if i have been in a few wars, So i am gearing up to start work on a TD if your going to do it go all the way. And remember two suits of armor are better then one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Trooper Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I say do what you want, unless it's an official event. If this go's threw then how long befor femtrooper armor is an official costume of the 501st.... all it takes is one comic book then it's ok? I'm not trying to be an ******* but i bust my *** and spend a ton of cash on my costumes. I want to wear the pauldron,ammo packs and look as if i have been in a few wars, So i am gearing up to start work on a TD if your going to do it go all the way. And remember two suits of armor are better then one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Most the reasons people cite for wanting to accessorize their TK into something between a TK & TD are not because they are trying to replicate a 501st approved EU trooper, but mainly because they want to jazz up their costume and have fun with it. The Spec Ops Det really seems to want to focus on EU-only troopers, not canon derivatives. Kevin seems happy to take on HWT because it's EU and in his scope, but after reading through their forums it's not like there are a ton of guys over there wanting to do white armor based costumes. It seems to me that's the difference really - are you trying to replicate a costume, or are you just trying to have fun with one? Someone could walk around as a Vader with ammo packs, a blaster, and dirt (can't stay clean all the time, eh?), but is he still a "Vader" and would you troop with him that way? Most people would say "no", but given this argument if it's OK for a TK to do it, why not a Vader? As stated many times it's your costume and you can do as you like and we're a club after all & let's *do* have fun and experiment, but the purpose of a detachment is to help standardize and promote a particular approved costume type(s). Maybe I'm being overly sensitive, but it seems a bit antagonistic to put forth the argument that the standard that they're working hard to achieve and promote should be compromised, or flip it around that a costume that doesn't meat all the requirements should be considered on the same level. For myself, looking at the movies it's pretty clear what a stormtrooper is, and if you ask pretty much anyone they can tell you. It's white armor with no pauldrons, etc. So for me, when you add these things, you take away from the icon of the stormtrooper. When you ask people or think of a sandtrooper what stands out is dirt, pauldron, pouches, and most likely a pack. So when you go clean or remove the pauldron or other core item, you're taking away from the essence of what a sandtrooper represents. This is why while I feel it's OK to occasionally have fun with a costume, the core of what thoes costumes are to me is a pretty emotional issue, perhaps analogous to the core of faith. As I said, this is my POV and like armpits everyone has their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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