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No problem!! Saludos

They are screen grabs from a VH1 special about the SE. Don't know when the show actually run on tv. But I found the video o you tube. Apparently and for the date of the files, in 2011. There is only about 1 minute or so on the sandtroopers but enough material to helps us with the CRL Saludos.

This is part of the same file I sent to the CS when we started working on the CRL. But now I realize I should have shared them with the whole community. So, I am posting them now... This are screen grabs I did from a VH1 documentary on SW Special Edition a few years ago. I found it on youtube. Cant remember the name but shouldnt be too difficult to find. It only spends a minute or minute and a half on Sandtroopers, but there are images there I had never seen before.... So... Here they are:

Awesome! I'll post all my backpack backstage references for you... Cause I think that there is a grey canister there too. Maybe the same color as the ANH blueish grey. Don't know... Don't mean that you must change your pack, just wanted to share my references and maybe go deeper into some research to help you and the CRL. Hope that helps! Saludos

@CrookKnight Pack looks really cool Bro! Congrats! Great work. So far, the only mayor difference I can see is that the top "canister" or part of the "mortar tube" (if we can asume that is what it is), should be white, according to my references... Here a a couple LFL archives and behind the scenes shots. Hope they help! @troopermaster THX Paul! This is the kind of expert assessment we need to make this really accurate. So... I was talking to Justus and the Command Staff, and thought that probably TE derived armor, "re-engineered" back into a Tour suit could be closer to SE than full ROTJ. I can see some similar ways of strapping the armor to that in RTOJ armor. No elastic around biceps on shoulder bells. Round trimming of shoulder bells. I think drop boxes are wider in shape than ANH, but maybe they are not. And yes, left thigh has a round top... but then I saw one trimmed trooper with a thigh trimmed and put together differently. Should be just how it was assembled, but I think it shows it is not 100% ROTJ armor or even moulds. Shoulder bells do look ROTJ to me. But then, I dont know Tour armor, just TE derived. So, dont know if the Tour Shoulder bells look like this too. I know TE derived don't. At least, not when trimmed ANH style. Helmet was probably refurbished from ROTJ, or recast from the same molds... and weathered in location (just as with ANH)... And boots, in the mean time while Troopermaster can find the hard drive. I have this, its not a close up but I think it does show quiet clearly they had black soles... What do you all think?? This is very exciting!! Saludos. Juan

Ive seen some reference shots where boots appear to have black soles... I would thought they had used the same, but it appears that they had black sole boots instead of white ROTJ ones. Ill try to post picts when at my computer. Saludos.

One more question... Whats the main difference with a TE/TE2 armor and return of the jedi? Trimming of course, and the helmet... adding the whitebrubber trim, and then? Also, new boots... Can it be made to look like it originally was, Tour/ ROTJ? Saludos.

No need to apollogy boss... your enthusiasm is what has us striving for the nxt big thing here... Lets just keep im mind why we want this done, what was the idea you brought to start up, and we will be fine. Here are two ideas... 1. What if we get a new "developing" status for the CRL to be publish as it is by the Legion Command, so that any trooper willing to build it can follow it. And only after the first build make it official? Cause I think the GML and Legion Command are also interested in seeing this happen, but a little burocratic help would be very helpful. 2. Just throwing ideas here... what about Paul or Mark lending us a ROTJ armor to weather (with washable paint) so we can take pictures of it... it could be a project where the britannia patrol members could collaborate with the makers to finish a SETD if only for the pictures. After all the "hate" I gave to the ROTJ look, and specially the SETD, i have to say that I now find the ROTJ armor very appealing and i teresting... (not so much the SETD). I dont have the money to afford a new set, otherwise I would jump in to tackle it. But maybe there are other troopers that would/could just to be the only person in the world with that particular armor and prop. I mean, even if ugly, done right, this is a great project and a real challenge for all and any armor prop builder... The one and only SE TD armor... if only I have a thousand pounds to spare. What do you think? Saludos.

I realize I'm late here but I have a few points to say. -why are we adding a new SE TD??? Is it to make it easy for others to just switch from Any configuration to SE and back? Cause it looks to me that this is how things are turning now. Just my appreciation. -There are just a few ROTJ troopers among the legion? Well yes, and there are zero SE TD troopers or members interested in building one. Even today. -should we lower our standard and Legion bench mark to make it a more popular costume? That is not the way of the MEPD. Sorry, but this is true. To me, we are creating this CRL to keep it all together and inclusive with all sorts of sandtroopers. That's the idea. If we need a finished costume to make it live, we'll, then someone should finish it. Just like with any other costume. No one wants too? There is a reason other than the likes of previous CS of the MEPD why we don't have a CRL. And that is cause no trooper has wanted to build one before. I know this. I even wrote a draft of the SE TD CRL a few years ago and even started building a helmet based on a ROTJ bucket. But since no one wanted to build one. And info was not that available. We were not able to finish it and have it approved. That's something we have seen before. Now, please don't take me wrong. I really want this CRL approved and up. But done the right way... and up yo our detachment Fe standards. I am super happy of all the hard work and discussion that has been done to get this CRL up. We should keep it up. If it takes a month or two, or a year, we'll... that's cause as we have witnessed before, it is a very unpopular configuration. Armor is readily available and costs the same as ANH or ESB armor. If there is no demand for this particular character:configuration, it's not due to the makers but to what it represents. Again... I am really excited and actually want to see the CRL up. And want to see this detachment evolve. Just not backwards. Allowing ANH armor would be that. To me there is no point in working so hard to develop a CRL for a SE trooper and actually make a point of it being part of he legion, if we just make it so that its ranks are made up of ANH troopers with alternative gear. Cause actually, weathering is also different. Pauldrons are diferent, weapons are different. It's not another version between the HWT and the TD. It has its own place. Let's give it to it. Once again, I'm all in favor of including it, and beret grateful with all the work done. It somehow feel like the real following and culmination of work done for years... let's do it right. That's my opinion. Sorry if it sounds a bit radical or harsh. I will follow what we all agree as a community and will of course support what we want to do!!! Saludos. Juan

Don't worry much! Most armors, and specially the best ones, have no trim lines or nothings. This is one thing that makes this hobby fun! And... as said, no, it wont be a problem for your clearance, deployment or SWAT badge. And anyone elsewhere that says so, is just wrong. Although most of us are against recasting for the most, the 501st has no an official stand or policy against or in favor of it. No worries bro. About it being a recast of an original ANH armor, unless it is an RS Propmasters armor, I can asure you, it was not. No one owns moulds from an ANH armor other than them. And no one in the hobby making armors own a full an ANH original armor. Let us know if you need anything. And post pictures! We love pictures. Saludos.

One more thing.... about elctricians tape. A few years ago I talked to a gaffer (head electrician in film set) and art directors for film industry, and they agreed that both, plastic electricians tape and gaffer's tape would definetely be present during the shooting of ANH. Gaffer's tape being thread or paper based and non reflective would be more probable to be used for on-set repairs rsther than electricians plastic tape, since it is reflective. They said most tapes used are non reflective to avoid catching any light, shine or reflect on camera. Both start in simlar thin widths... gaffer going wider than electricians. Anyway, we cant prove one thing or the other with references, so as long as it looks the part, it should be accepted. Saludos.

Hi Jon, I intended to reply to your PM but never got to push send after writing it. The pouch you have is not spanish but french. Some people sell it as spanish by mistake or on purpose but, well, many troopers buy it just to find out it is not approvable. Good news is your pouch is looking awesome already. And i got to pull my original large spanish pouch from the storage today... so i got some new pictures. Hope they help. Let me know if you need any more advice. Saludos

Looking really cool! Good job. Looking forward to your progress... Saludos.

Seems that, so far and as agreed over the FISD thread, we will keep both pack troopers, and FISD will keep packless troopers, even the one with heavy weathering. That sounds right to me. Of course, that is just forum discussions, we now need Paul and Justus to work the bureaucracy with the LMO and the council, have the characters approved to be part of the 501st and work on the CRLS... Its a long way to go, but this is going in the right direction! Saludos.

Very interesting. I am very excited to see this kind of discussion and passion both here and over the FISD... Have tried to read all posts here and there and so far I have not made up my mind on wether we should or should not try to bring the Jedha troopers here. Let me explain myself... I was one of those who not only voted against having the HWT here, but also was very loud when voicing my opinion on why we should not. At the time, the decision was made and the HWT that started with TD designation was changed into TK. That was a big victory for our detachment, or at least, it felt like it. It was not a matter of having more than one CRL, but to win the sole right of being called TD. Yes, it might sound ridicule now, but back then we felt like we accomplished something. Even more, 15 years ago, Sandtroopers weren't a thing. They even werent really an important character, just a dirty Stormtrooper with lots of things on the back. Not like Snows and Scouts, we were just... dirty Sandtroopers. So, somme people within the 501st gathered together and formed the MEPD with two main concerns: giving the sandtrooper a place in the empire, and unifying the looks and criteria for our character. That is why we fought for the right to have our own designation, and won. TKs, TDs, TSs and TBs... There were no TK commanders, HWT, Flametroopers and the such. Those came later. That, and the armor which was for us part of our DNA, was the main reason why we didnt wanted to share our designation with others... specially non Sandtroopers. Cause, this is a Sandtrooper detachment, not a Dirty with BFG trooper detachment... Then came the SE CRL discussion... we as a detachment tried to include it a few years ago. I even started making a ROTJ helmet into a SE TD. But no one followed. Not here, not on the FISD... So it just stayed there, standing by for another day. Cut to today, Sandtroopers are big, are important and are something. And, now there are other kinds of Sandtroopers according to LFL literature. So, leaving behind all HWT discsussion, I do think like Justus as in we need to expand the detachment... go further. But, I am still feeling a bit like this place, the MEPD, should be a place just for ANH Sandtroopers. SO... my idea here is, disregarding the FISD MEPD contest to win the Jedha trooper, why not evolve into some sort of Imperial Law Enforcement Detachment. with the MEPD for ANH and SE TDs, and JPD for Jedha Sandtroopers. There is one GREAT BIG difference in background and story with both ANH Sandtroopers and Jedha troopers that put us apart from all other Troopers: in the movies, we interact with civilians... in law enforcing duties. Not like all other troopers that only fight and perform military duties. Anyway... those are some of my thoughts. As I said, need to make up my mind on what's my opinion on all this. Saludos. Juan

There is room in this community for everyone and everything. Lets keep our community alive, welcoming and respectful to each other. I am sure we can do it... as the Sandtrooper Brotherhood we have always been. Saludos.

LOL! No worries. Hope someday you find your way into dirty armor! In the mean time, enjoy!! Thx! Saludos

Man! As I said over the FISD, this is just amazing! To many emotions fill me to even write properly. I made a quick search on google, and yes! I very easily found where you found it. Or at least I think that was the place where you got it from: Subito.it Isnt it?? It was not my top result, but was merely on the 2nd page, hidding among all the recurrent sites with the radio info we always find. It was not that difficult. Lots of luck bro! And... with a little italian interpretation and a bit of patience, I think I even found some info on the post and I can only say I am really envious of you Tony! You are a lucky guy!! As I said in other threads, I cant believe I missed it. I pretty much search at least 4 days a week for the radio online... So does many others, I guess that being it in italian and just besides results from readiomuseum, many replicas for sale, the MEPD and my own blog, we all missed it! Good thing for everyone you didnt! I read you commented about your welcome here over the MEPD... please, dont take it the wrong place. As I mentioned, many many people have spent several thousand hours researching and serching for this radio for at least 10 years. One surfaced over new year, and now there is another. This osrt of things dont just happen... ever. And in the past others have claimed to find one but they never actually delivered... so yeah, its hard to believe it at first. But pictures are up, and even if we cant see it or touch it for real, that is more than enough for this community to mark this day as a very very special day! thx for sharing. You talked about not being yet 501st and awaiting for a TM armor... is there any way we can talk you to built a Sandtrooper and not a shinny whitey? Welcome to the community, and hope to welcome you soon to the 501st! Grazie mile for sharing. Saludos Juan

That looks very cool. Close enough!! Good job. Saludos.

Awesome!! That looks like it could be it. Great finding! Now lets find a real one. Saludos.

Actually, it might be not Japanese. I'll check later. Saludos.

Some time ago I found a Japanese pouch that looked the part except for the tab. My theory back then was that the tab, a triangular one, had fallen off and was replaced with a regular single tab using a new rivet and the stud already on the pouch. I was never able to get one of those to check dimentions and all. But it los possible. If I'm able, I'll look for it later and post it. Saludos.

Pack does look like it was made some time ago with requirements from that time. But, besides the radio faceplate, it sure could pass the CRL for police officer. Now, I am sure that after some research you will find how easily you could modify it to be more accurate. And even would say that you will want to do it just to keep up with the resent research and looks the community over here has advanced in the last year or two. If you need any help, just let us know. We will gladly help you out. Saludos.

Big Congrats brother, and welcome to the Sandtrooper brotherhood. You will never find a more dirty hive of friendship and support! Enjoy your troop tomorrow and post pictures! Saludos.